Israeli combat shooting

[mattman23]

Anybody taken a class in this? We have one at a local range and I'm thinking about taking it.seemed pretty interesting.Thanks,Matt

[Chemsoldier]

The Israelis get mad props for having lots of experience but if by Israeli combat shooting you mean carrying with no round in the chamber and a greater emphasis on point shooting than most american instructors...no, never have.  I am sure some are quite good, otherwise a lot seems like marketing.  "Israeli Combat (insert name of weapon) Training" seems wierd to me.  The Krav Maga thing is a great example.  I have seen some fantastic programs out there and talking to martial artists it is one of the quickest payoff martial arts (referring to class hours required to start to really help improve your self-defense abilities) but the infighting and bickering on who is the "real" original blah-blah-blah is kind of tiresome. 

Buyer beware, I am sure they have some good stuff but carrying without a round in is not in my future.

-Chem

[flop-shank]

Buyer beware, I am sure they have some good stuff but carrying without a round in is not in my future.

I agree (assuming, but possibly wrong, that that's what the clas entails) and some people get confused by the experience and prestige of the Mossad because they fail to make a very important differentiation. Licenseed concealed carriers are defensive shooters whereas Mossad assassins are offensive shooters. They pick the time and place of the attack, but defensive handgunners are repelling an attack that has likely begun and need to gain control of the time element of the fight. They have no time to spare jacking a round in the chamber and are probably already behind the curve and may need one hand free to fight for enough distance to bring their gun to bear.

One can always take a class, listen to whatever the instructor says and then disregard that which is useless when school is out.

I'm curious about what others know about this.

[Chemsoldier]

Makes me nervous...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RgmHYkqe78w&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RgmHYkqe78w&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LtLHibIJ30w&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/LtLHibIJ30w&rel=0</a>

There are a collection of practices in here.  Some seem more like kata than firearms training, some are not efficient movement, some are patently unsafe and others are just kind of bizarre to me.  On the plus side there are  drills that look like good training, in my review of Israeli courses on youtube there seems to be some good vehicle work (in and around) in the israeli courses.

-Chem 

[kenshomi]

how many times did barrels pass 'through' a number of people during transitions?
FAIL

[walkingbush]

Wow! Not something I would want to take. In the second video a saw ineffectual use of cover. They didn't move when reloading, just took a knee in the open! When kneeling behind cover, the guys head was sticking up like a "shoot me" sign. The wide stance doesn't work for me either, when shooting around cover, the guy's leg was sticking way out, giving away his position and providing something to get shot. Not to mention the muzzles going everywhere. And what's with raising your hand to shoot one handed at close range? Do you have a question or something? I prefer to keep both hands on the weapon if at all possible, especially the closer I get. Then I can fire from retention if necessary to defend against a gun grab.

I've taken Krav Maga for just over two years and I can say it is quite effective, unlike this stuff.

Michael Coffman

[MasAyoob]

Walkingbush, I haven't taken the course in question, but to hazard an educated guess, the raised hand might be mimicking pushing an innocent out of the line of fire.

best,
Mas

[walkingbush]

Walkingbush, I haven't taken the course in question, but to hazard an educated guess, the raised hand might be mimicking pushing an innocent out of the line of fire.

best,
Mas

That could very well be, but it seems an awkward approach to train for that motion. I'm all for learning to shoot one handed / weak hand only. I just didn't see the application of raising one's hand over your head to shoot. Clenched in, behind, in a sweeping motion, all those make sense to me. Thanks for the feedback though, it wasn't a perspective I had considered.

Sincerely,
Michael Coffman