Podcast 85

[Embershot]

I make NO apology for coming unglued over this, nor questioning GRRN's position regarding Ray's comments. And while I did not ask Mark to remove your show, I did write and ask him to review episode 85 and consider whether he wished such views to be associated with his network.

Furthermore, I make no apology for not emailing you first, either. In my business we have a saying: if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. If you're going to publish blatant religious bigotry (even if you and Ray aren't religious bigots), you can't bitch when you get blindsided.

So rather than emailing Eric first and offer him a chance to correct the problem you went behind his back and complained to the producer. After that you fly off the handle on the forums screaming bigotry instead of calmly pointing out the mistake to him directly. It appears that you are simply interested in jumping up and down hollering, "I'm mad, look at me!" while displaying a blatant show of disrespect for Eric and his work as well as a general lack of integrity and self-control. If you react this emotionally to everything, I hope I'm nowhere near you when you're carrying.

[Pinkpurlknits]

Pink, If you choose not to eat pork keep it a personal choice. 

For the most part I do keep my religion to my self here on the forums, I mentioned it because it is not a personal choice it is what is taught in my religion, the Jews also follow the cleanliness laws and since he referenced filling hollow points with bacon I thought that I would mention that strict Muslims are not the only ones to follow this not eating of pork.

[Eric R Shelton]

So rather than emailing Eric first and offer him a chance to correct the problem you went behind his back and complained to the producer. After that you fly off the handle on the forums screaming bigotry instead of calmly pointing out the mistake to him directly. It appears that you are simply interested in jumping up and down hollering, "I'm mad, look at me!" while displaying a blatant show of disrespect for Eric and his work as well as a general lack of integrity and self-control. If you react this emotionally to everything, I hope I'm nowhere near you when you're carrying.

Which was pretty much my reply in Episode 86 (recorded last night).  If that's the level of behavior and maturity one can expect, I'd like it if he quit listening to the show.  I don't want to be associated with him, or for others to have him be their impression of a HGP listener.

I have a great appreciation for Catholics- if it weren't for them a great number of social ills would not be addressed.  A number of conservatives and other contemporary Christians don't really do all that much, and the Catholics take a lot of undue heat, in my book.  But Woahhs personal behavior on this issue, when I've shown willingness to accept correction in the past, is unacceptable in any social circle.  Period.

[Daeglan]

Eric,
My issue with the Catholic church is 1 part their arrogance. Catholic means universal they think they are above the law. and 2nd I have serious issue with how they handle pedophile preists. Cardinal Majone our local Cardinal in LA is still covering for Pedophile priests. If the Catholic Church really cared about their flock they would excommunicate and turn a pedophile priests over to the police. Instead they actively cover for them and move them to another church. WTF? Why do they keep putting children in danger and covering for these monsters? The Catholic church wonders why people don't trust them. How can you trust a church that actively put children in danger?

[Kingofthehill]

VERY LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[biggyin]

On a lighter note, anyone else notice that Eric's cohost Ray sounds a little like Chris Griffin from Family Guy?!?!?

[Jkwas]

I don't buy the definition of a terrorist offered.  By that definition our bomber crews in WWII were terrorists.

[Daeglan]

I don't buy the definition of a terrorist offered.  By that definition our bomber crews in WWII were terrorists.

Our bomber crews were bombing manufacturing. like bomibng ball bearing factories.

[Woahhs]

But Woahhs personal behavior on this issue, when I've shown willingness to accept correction in the past, is unacceptable in any social circle.  Period.

Don't kid yourself Eric. You have shown in the past you are willing to "accept correction" as long as you can save face while doing it, which is why I didn't bother to contact you privately.

That's why you no doubt gave a fuzzy nebulous apology to "Catholics" in general, but the particular Catholic that slammed you for your hateful content gets nothing but contempt, aggression, and counter-charge instead of a contrite apology. I've heard you long enough to know if someone accused you of being a perfectionist, you would more than likely counter by saying "no, I just want it done right."

I'll be most interested to see how much of your focus goes toward apologizing to Catholics as opposed to slamming me for "mussing your hair" or rationalizing your "oversight."

I'd love to be more genial with you, but frankly, I see from your responses to other disagreements that you are quite adept at excusing yourself when you don't "feel" like you've screwed the pooch.

You'd don't seem to understand your moral position here. You're like a smoker that can't take serious complaints about how he smells because he can't smell himself.

You didn't make a "mistake." What you podcast, and lets not forget it's not like you broadcast live, was bigotry and slander *by definition.* Whether anyone else was incensed by it or not is completely irrelevant.

There's nothing to "work out" when you use the n-word in polite company. There's either an undiluted Mea Culpa, or there is some form of excuse. Period.

[Woahhs]

So rather than emailing Eric first and offer him a chance to correct the problem you went behind his back and complained to the producer. After that you fly off the handle on the forums screaming bigotry instead of calmly pointing out the mistake to him directly. It appears that you are simply interested in jumping up and down hollering, "I'm mad, look at me!" while displaying a blatant show of disrespect for Eric and his work as well as a general lack of integrity and self-control. If you react this emotionally to everything, I hope I'm nowhere near you when you're carrying.

Tell you what. Why don't you use the "n-word" to an African American where you work, then talk to me about my reaction.

"Problem?" "Mistake?" That's a nice tepid way to describe something that will get you fired from nearly any employment in the country.

I'm not much interested in evaluations of appearance coming from someone who appears to need a cleaner place to park his nose, or did you criticize Linda Tripp's "lack of integrity" too?

Tell me, what was I supposed to "respect" about Eric with this incident?

[Daeglan]

If you hate Eric so much why not go away? Catholics have a lot to answer for. Do they do good? Yes a lot of the time. But the behavior regarding pedophile priests is inexcuseable.
People who live in glass houses and all that.

Besides not calling the individual on what they did wrong to their face is kinda childish. At least give them the chance to own up to it anc correct it.  They may hang them selves with it but they deserve the chance.

[Woahhs]

If you hate Eric so much why not go away? Catholics have a lot to answer for. Do they do good? Yes a lot of the time. But the behavior regarding pedophile priests is inexcuseable.
People who live in glass houses and all that.

Besides not calling the individual on what they did wrong to their face is kinda childish. At least give them the chance to own up to it anc correct it.  They may hang them selves with it but they deserve the chance.

Talk about "childish"....

I don't hate Eric. I have more regard for him than any other podcaster on GRRN. That doesn't mean I approve of him tip-toeing when the conversation is about Muslims, but sloughing it off when his pal slanders Catholics.

And as far as calling an individual to their face, I already did that on another issue and got evasion and denial. I should expect different this time, why?

[Jkwas]

I don't buy the definition of a terrorist offered.  By that definition our bomber crews in WWII were terrorists.

Our bomber crews were bombing manufacturing. like bomibng ball bearing factories.

I wasn't aware of the ball bearing factories in Dresden.  There was a lot of bombing of civilian population centers where heavy industry was not prevalent.  The british in general were pretty good at carpet bombing by night which was not very precise.  Both sides did it so there's plenty to go around. 
My point is I think we need a better definition of terrorism.
Oh, I forgot.  Curtiss Lemay was quite fond of firebombing Japanese cities for no other reason than they were made of wood and a better way to utilize the B29's at medium altitude.

[Eric R Shelton]

I don't hate Eric. I have more regard for him than any other podcaster on GRRN.

So you accuse me of "bigotry by definition". Wow. Well, let's see...

big⋅ot⋅ry
1.   stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Copied and pasted from Dictionary.com. So first, I must disagree with your charge of bigotry.  Second, I'd hate to see how you would treat other GRRN podcasters.

Now, about your very venomous post regarding the apology you haven't even heard yet.  You know, the "Don't kid yourself Eric" post.  First, the apology to Catholics was explicit and sincere.  I even talked about Pope Pious 11 and 12, and told the story of Rabbi Zolli to make sure the truth and correction was crystal clear.  And the "particular Catholic" didn't receive any contempt or aggression, either.  Until now.

What I said to you was (paraphrased), "Please stop listening to my show.  Because if this is the level of maturity and behavior one can expect from you, then I don't need that association.  You are not the kind of person I want people to think of when they envision the Handgun Podcast audience." 

I don't give a crap about "mussing my hair", but you took this to a level of personal insult character assassination, and I don't need people thinking I do a show for such angry, unforgiving people as you.  Because last I checked, the whole point of Christianity was forgiveness.  So kudos to you for being such a great ambassador. /sarcasm

No, now it occurs to me that the first posts I recall from you were in this thread, accusing me of not being hard enough on Islam, honor killings, etc.  Let's revisit the charge of bigotry, shall we?  Let me suggest you either re-read your posts and substitute "Catholic" for "Islam/muslim", or that you accusing me of being a bigot may stem from what is called projectionism.  And then you accuse me of evasion and denial when I wouldn't jump full on board with your "approved" bigotry?!?!

We're done here.  Really.  Woahhs, you're acting hateful and seriously close to being banned. Please leave my audience, because while I get riled at times, I don't continue to spew hate and I won't tolerate it here.