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« on: August 24, 2009, 02:28:19 AM »

thats right i want to know what you wanna know or what to you want other people to know. if you want to be a guess host on a subject let me know.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 03:47:59 PM »

Jayson, as time goes on, you're going to see that I've done reloading, so I might as well not try to kid anyone...

But I'd love to help in anyway I can. First of all I need to admit that I've not yet been able to hear your podcast so if I'm rude, rough, or abrupt, forgive me... I'd like to be the devil's advocate...

All of this reloading stuff is mysterious to me... I don't know 'nuffin' bout nuffin bout reloading.

What's the difference between gun powder and primers? (again, I'm the devil's advocate)

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 09:31:43 PM »

I was serious, Jayson, about helping in any way that I can... I do wish to reiterate.

And I do also hope that my style hasn't and doesn't offend...

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 11:57:00 AM »

How the heck do I crimp a 9mm?  I can't find anything solid as how to do it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 01:25:02 PM »

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you know you brought up a good point about the basic and newbe stuff. i have already recorded 10 episode. and most all the frist ten is covering the basic stuff. but i do feel that after those frist ten are on the air. i know im going to have to come back and do a update on it or something cause im sure someone is going to correct me on one or more things and i would like for some one such as your self to be the devils advocate and have my back when im blowing smoke. and if you would like to do a guest host on something that would be a treat as well.

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the depends on a few things rather if you need or want a taper crimp or a rolled crimp. and depends on the dies you have it should be able to do either one of those crimps and if it does it should tell you how to adjust your dies in the die manual. and if your dies do not do a crimp then you can by a stand alone crimping die i think lee make one. i hope this answers you question
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 05:49:16 PM »

I think an episode on loading the 50 BMG would be interesting for those of us who load for it as well as those who would like to!

One thing I found (the hard way) was to use a good quality case lube for sizing.  I used a cheaper lube that worked for smaller calibers but managed to get a case stuck in the die.  Fortunately, I have a coworker who is a gunsmith and was able to get the case out of the die.

Just like everything else with the 50 BMG, reloading is expensive, goofy, fun, and BIG!  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 07:20:49 PM »


If you have a separate crimping die it'll make things simpler, but a lot of folks don't, so I'll discuss both ways.

First a separate crimping die: After resizing, decapping, repriming, then charging with powder, what you do next is seat your bullet, and seat it to the reloading manual recommended OAL. If you're using a single stage press, you'll want to seat all your bullets first, then remove the seating die, and put your crimping die into the top of your press a thread or two.

Put a cartridge into your shell holder, run it up to the top of the stroke of your press, then start adjusting the crimping die down until you feel it working it's way down over your uncrimped cartridge. Back off the ram of your press adjust your die down a bit, run the press ram up, start your crimp, (this is done by a small lip/edge inside of your crimp die) remove the cartridge and examine it closely by eye, so as to see if it's beginning to start closing snugly against the bullet. Check the cartridge with either a micrometer or dial calipers at the case mouth and see if it's within manual specs. Keep repeating this procedure with your first cartridge until your satisfied that you have both a nice snug crimp, and the case mouth is about .001-.0015 under the specs.

Second method involves using dies that do both seat and crimp at the same time:

Back off the outer part of the die so as to not crimp before you get your first bullet seated. It's permissible to actually run the seating punch down a bit more than you would normally set it at, for setting the bullet OAL.
Seat your bullet as above to manual OAL specs. Then back of the bullet nose punch, aka seating plug, and run the case all the way up in the ram and start working the crimping die down until you feel it start to contact the cartridge. Follow the same series of steps as written above, but when you have a nice snug crimp, on your nice and freshly loaded round, with the ram in the highest position, run the seating plug down until it contacts the bullet nose, then lock the die body rings and lock screws/nuts down.

It'll take less time to do than it will to read what I wrote...

Better still, review these two youtube videos:

Taper Crimp Die Part 1: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/h1LEbcRDs70&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/h1LEbcRDs70&rel=0</a>

Taper Crimp Die Part 2: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7TJ_-ctKr4s&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/7TJ_-ctKr4s&rel=0</a>

This Ammosmith guy does do a good job with the details as far as I've been able to see, and with his videos also.



How the heck do I crimp a 9mm?  I can't find anything solid as how to do it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 08:24:12 PM »

I think an episode on loading the 50 BMG would be interesting for those of us who load for it as well as those who would like to!

One thing I found (the hard way) was to use a good quality case lube for sizing.  I used a cheaper lube that worked for smaller calibers but managed to get a case stuck in the die.  Fortunately, I have a coworker who is a gunsmith and was able to get the case out of the die.

Just like everything else with the 50 BMG, reloading is expensive, goofy, fun, and BIG!  Wink

i was thinking about that too in the future. i have a shooting buddy that does alot of 50bmg shooting and reloading. far more than i do. he does so much 50bmg reloading that dillion has him testing the first ever progessive reloading press i know of for the home reloader. so ill see if he will be willing to do a show on the 50bmg
thank you for the idea
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 10:55:14 AM »

Well, I'd like to hear a Q&A segment where you can answer listeners questions.  Also, maybe you could review equipment for us and possibly let the listeners review their equipment (scales, dies, presses, powder measures, etc) a bit like the gun review podcast within your podcast.  Also, I'd like to hear about some specialty rounds like accelerator bullets or shotgun slug reloading.  Also, maybe you could do a series about reduced power loads (youth/recoil sensative rifle, target handgun, light shotgun, etc).  Maybe you could also have a feature around listener tips that are emailed to you.  I'm sure you have plenty of tips of your own, but everyone seems to come up with good ideas around reloading proceedures and equipment.  Oh, could you talk about reloading software?  Software that keeps track of your loads, ballistics, firearm performance, etc.  How about bullet types and ballistics.  I'm sure you have hit on a number of these in your first 10 episodes.

I am really looking forward to your podcast as I've only been reloading for a year and started with handguns with my first attempt at rifle rounds yet to go to the range.  Thanks for working on this podcast!

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 01:36:07 PM »

Jayson, Great first show.  I am looking forward to future shows.  I am have been reloading shotgun for trap an skeet for several years and metallic for about 10 months.  Love it and I am hooked.  I am sure you have the basics covered in your first 10 but after that I would like hear what I would consider advance topics and techniques such as reloading for accuraccy and competition (i.e. measuring case neck and bullet run out, hornady OAL comparator or using a RCBS MIC Guage).  Other topics might be deep discussion of the various components such as difference in manufactures primer ignitions, match grade vs regular primers, powder burn rates and what they mean, which powders are cleaner.  Bullet types and characteristics.  Suggested ways of testing your loads, recording keeping, work bench setup ( I google searched and found a nice schematic that I built).  Reloading military brass, what cases you shouldn't reload or can't.  Working up your own load and how to identify dangerous conditions of the load.  I'd also like to hear more about relaoding shotgun for hunting including steel or non-toxic shoot.  Opinion on the different manufacturers for all components and equipment.  List of online or catalog sellers of reloading equipment components.   Not sure about other states but Massachusetts has regulations limiting the amount of ammunition and components one can possess with and without a license.   http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/powder.html . That might be of interest to listeners.  Of course when I called the Fire Department to inquire and do the right thing they were clueless of the law.  Hopefully that will keep the podcasts coming.

If I can help let me know.

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 09:14:48 PM »

Jayson, here's a thought for a show, or at least for a few minutes... Perhaps you can discuss, the merits of either turning the outside of case necks, or reaming the inside of case necks?

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 09:32:56 PM »

Jim,
Thanks for the info.  I haven't been able to digest all of it yet.  I've been busy with life.  I should be able to spend some time on my reloading soon.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 08:45:08 PM »

Jayson, Great first show.  I am looking forward to future shows.  I am have been reloading shotgun for trap an skeet for several years and metallic for about 10 months.  Love it and I am hooked.  I am sure you have the basics covered in your first 10 but after that I would like hear what I would consider advance topics and techniques such as reloading for accuraccy and competition (i.e. measuring case neck and bullet run out, hornady OAL comparator or using a RCBS MIC Guage).  Other topics might be deep discussion of the various components such as difference in manufactures primer ignitions, match grade vs regular primers, powder burn rates and what they mean, which powders are cleaner.  Bullet types and characteristics.  Suggested ways of testing your loads, recording keeping, work bench setup ( I google searched and found a nice schematic that I built).  Reloading military brass, what cases you shouldn't reload or can't.  Working up your own load and how to identify dangerous conditions of the load.  I'd also like to hear more about relaoding shotgun for hunting including steel or non-toxic shoot.  Opinion on the different manufacturers for all components and equipment.  List of online or catalog sellers of reloading equipment components.   Not sure about other states but Massachusetts has regulations limiting the amount of ammunition and components one can possess with and without a license.    http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/powder.html . That might be of interest to listeners.  Of course when I called the Fire Department to inquire and do the right thing they were clueless of the law.  Hopefully that will keep the podcasts coming.

If I can help let me know.

Dave B... Also from MA



thanks for the good ideas and the worst part about already recording 10 shows is that right after your done you think of something or somebody says something that you would like to add. so i going to go back and add somethings in if i can and make it flow better if not then i will make a whole show about that one subject.

oh and that is very interesting about how much ammo and componets you can have do you know of any other state that does this and what is your state law?
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 03:52:24 PM »

I am not sure about other states but I will do some research and get back to you.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2009, 02:24:30 PM »

that would be awesome or if someone would like they could do a whole show on this by themself. just record it and send it to me.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 02:48:47 PM »

Jayson, thanks for carrying the flag on reloading with the new podcast. I haven't reloaded but I would be most interested in any info on reloading for shotguns in general and buckshot specifically. There isn't really an alternative to training with buckshot if you want to simulate patterns so I have to buy expensive ammo as apposed to using 155gr FMJ's to train when I use 155gr JHP's in my 40 Glock. Answers to questions like can I use the 100 hulls I have from breaking clays with my brother last week how to stack the shot and the types of presses available would be great.

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 10:04:54 PM »

Jayson, you're saying that someone could do a whole hour on nothing but what state laws stipulate about what reloaders are "allowed" (there's that awful word!) "allowed" to have on hand...?

Wow, that's pretty esoteric... LMBO!
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 11:00:16 PM »

Jayson, you're saying that someone could do a whole hour on nothing but what state laws stipulate about what reloaders are "allowed" (there's that awful word!) "allowed" to have on hand...?

Wow, that's pretty esoteric... LMBO!

yes i kinda find it interesting in what each state will allow and will not allow. i do know that ATF has their "rules" about how much they allow i have ran into a problem with them before along time ago after someone tried getting me in trouble with them. and they come to my house and found that i only had 50lbs of gun powder and that was not enough to make them worry to much. and i was only 19 years old at that time. and ever since i try to keep 25 to 50 lbs on hand at any giving time.

if anyone is wondering why i keep that much. its not all the same type of powder thats total pounds of powder i have. and i started buying in bulk to save money and when ammo and reloading supplies went sky high in the past year or so. i can still reload for a decent cost.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2009, 04:50:21 AM »

I find BOTH points interesting!!!

#1 The fact there are limits... I didn't even know that there was such a thing, to be honest...  Huh I also don't think that sort of thing is anyone else's d*mn business to be honest, except for the home owner. Yeah, sure a commercial reloader need to be careful, but in that case, by the time you become a commercial reloader, you've already learned to safe guard and you've also out grown your bedroom/basement, and you're in a separate building altogether!

#2 point, relates back to my opinion about nobody else's business, and that is the mention of the fact that someone tried to get YOU, Jayson, in trouble... Sure you weren't over the limits, again I swear I didn't know of such a thing! But I think it's totally chickenscat about the fact that someone is so doggoned petty! Can you tell I'm angry...? Yer d*mn rights I am, and I know that whole incident is over years ago! Sorry for the angry writing, folks, we don't need it here.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2009, 08:58:52 AM »

With regards to the limits of powder, primer, rounds, etc.  I have only found Massachusetts  to have this regulation and it falls under the Fire Marshalls oversight.
Other states have regulations regarding storage of ammunition (away from kids, etc) but nothing like Mass. 

Back to Mass.  The limits are set without and with a permit.  So you can have more if you get the permit from the state which I think is a load of crap. 

I brought this to forums attention because as you heard "ignorance of the law is no excuse" and I would not want anyone to get in trouble if one does exist in your state.
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