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« on: December 08, 2009, 09:42:56 AM »

When I was working in Manassas, Virginia, I would walk around the business park during lunch.  One day, I saw a large mixed breed dog walking alone.  The area I was walking in had no businesses nearby; at least, within running distance.  I didn't have a cell phone or EDC knife.

The dog was coming straight towards me.  Not running, but jogging.  It looked like it had a collar.  I looked around for an owner, or another lunch walker -- no one to be seen.  The dog would be up to me soon.  I didn't see any foam or apparent signs of rabies (dizzyness, disorientation), but then symptoms come and go.  The dogs posture wasn't stiff or guarded.  It wasn't showing any signs of aggression at all: no barking or growling.  It looked clean -- no mud, burrs, or apparent wounds.

I put my left arm up and pulled my right arm back in a fist.  The dog bounded up to me and licked my left hand.  Whew.  The dog continued to jump on me, initiating play.  I took the dog by the color and escorted it to the nearest office and had them call animal control.  I had to get back to work and couldn't stay.

My folks carry pepper spray to handle (aggressive) dogs that may be off leash when walking our dogs.

Not to mention I always teach my kids to ask permission before petting any animal and we never pet working dogs.
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 12:34:00 PM »

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Good on you for rescuing that wayward pup.  Dog showed signs of high intelligence when picking a good human to help.  

Years ago, some unknown Good Samaritan corralled my two GSD escape artists, stuffed 'em with doggy treats, and called animal control.  The animal control officer stayed after working hours to reunite me with the fur kids.  Best damn Christmas present I ever got.  He gets a Christmas card from us every year.  He couldn't tell me who our initial benefactor was because of privacy concerns.      

So, Thank You and have a Merry Christmas.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 09:36:49 PM »

Good On You Brother.
I like dogs more than most people I meet.
We have 3 of our own and a constantly rotating 4th that is being fostered by us for the local Humane Society.
You did a good thing and I salute you.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 06:41:35 AM »

The note turned out to be a good deal longer than I intended it to be.  What's more is that I never said where I would like to see this information go!  How to act around strange dogs and working dogs seems like good content for a quick tip.  Interview a postal employee!
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 01:29:06 PM »

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I too carry pepper spray (police strength) when I walk the Shedders.  It helped - somewhat - when we were attacked by a pit bull.  The spray stream blinded the bastich, but it kept coming, although much less effectively.  A bit easier to avoid and to kick away. The idiot owner finally called his dog off.  We came away unscathed.  

Many other dog owners use a collapsible metal baton to help with rogue dogs.  Wish I could; the Grate State of Kalifornia bans them.  

I've owned dogs my whole life, and can pretty much read their intent at a glance.  I've successfully challenged an aggressive, attacking dog by spreading my arms, shouting, and advancing on it.  Don't show fear.  Project big and mean!  
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 12:03:06 PM »

I'm glad it ended well for both of you. All too often people are quick to shoot or wound a stray dog because of fear. Some may even resort to biting a dog(see Carl from the Gundudes or Robin Williams in The World According to Garp).

I have 6 dogs, and they get walked daily. They range from an American Pit Bull to a Jack Russell Terrier. I've tried all kinds of deterrents and what works best for me is a stick, baton or even a small tree branch. You can use that to wave a dog off before it gets close, you can use it as a club or as a breaker bar for two fighting dogs. Since I started using a stick (formerly a broom handle, shortened) I've not had a physical encounter with a stray dog.

Someone else mentioned it but the key is to be perceived as BIG, STRONG and LOUD!


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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 12:53:02 AM »

Just found this: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/246466
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 09:17:36 PM »

Good thread.

I love dogs, but if an unleashed dog approaches my young child, it had better stay out of my reach. If I yell and it continues to approach or growl at me or the child, I will consider it a deadly threat to my family and will take all necessary actions to protect my family.

A few months ago I was working in my garage when an unattended, strange dog walked onto my property and up to my cars. I yelled at it (child and cat were inside with the door open) and it growled at me. I picked up an escrima stick I had handy and moved slowly and menacingly towards it yelling. It backed off growling and barking at me. I chased it off my property. It continued to growl and bark at me as it trotted down the street away from my home. I have never seen the dog again.

If my 12-month old had been with me at the time, it would have been a dead dog before it finished its first growl.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 04:35:56 AM »

I found this on the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association forum. I received the author's permission.

This was a response to the question: "have you ever had to use your concealed pistol in a self defense situation?"
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I broke leather once in the parking lot of a superstore in the Pittsburgh area. I went in there to ironically buy ammo for a range session I was panning later that day. I bought 250 rounds of .40 S&W and walked out. This was a summer Sunday afternoon around maybe 1:00pm. I was making my way to the back end of the lot where I parked (I always park at the far end of the lot so I have time to catch a smoke, I don't smoke in my vehicles).

So as I'm crossing through a lane of parked cars, you know, weaving in between and around them, I hear this weird sound out in the distance from my left ear. The only way to describe it would be like the sound of handfuls of small stones being whipped across asphalt. Something about it tingled my protectmyheinie sense, and when the sound got closer, I knew exactly what it was. I pulled my t-shirt up and spun myself around to where I thought the sounds were coming from, yanking my HK USP .40 and presenting it in front of me in the process.

Within a second a brown and blonde pitbull came charging from behind a ford station wagon and turned right at me. I clicked the safety lever down and right before I dropped the hammer on the pooch, his owner dove from between the set of cars between us and tackled his dog. In truth, he almost took a bullet for that dog, but his timing was thankfully good enough that no one had to get hurt.

I was in a state of semi-shock. When they say that you can experience tunnel vision and auditory exclusion under periods of high stress, they're not kidding.

I had actually walked past this kid and a bunch of his friends, sitting in the back of a lifted Chevy dualie with their two dogs, both sleeping. A bunch of young punks, much like the young punk I was when I was that age (they couldn't have been more than 17-19). When I passed them earlier (about 800 feet prior to where the near-shooting took place), the dogs weren't barking or really doing much of anything, so I paid them no mind, I mean, it wasn’t a bunch of gangbangers; it was just a stupid thing, kids in a parking lot with their dogs in a pickup truck.

What possessed the dog to come at me like that, if he was indeed coming at me, I don’t know. In hindsight, I'm fully aware that the dog could have just been playing or running from his owner, but that's a chance I'm just not planning to take when a raging mass of muscle and teeth is barreling down on me out of the blue.

The kid, still on the asphalt with his arms wrapped around the dog's neck holding him down looked over at me and started yelling. I was still pointing the gun at him, though the finger was off the bang switch. He started yelling something about 'what the F%$@ I was doing, trying to kill his dog" or whatever, I really wasn't listening to him, my focus was still on that dog. His friends came running over and upon seeing me with the gun and the kid latched on to the dog, they grabbed the mutt by his collar and pulled him back to the truck. I clicked the safety up into the on position and reholstered the gun (but left my cover garment behind it), and then I was finally able to tune in to what the kid was saying. 'What the F&%# are you doing man, trying to kill my dog?' he said as he started walking towards me, clearly agitated. He kept saying, 'what the f&@% are you doing, huh?', to which I replied, 'me? what the F*&@ are you doing?" putting my empty hands out in front of me and to the sides. He kept moving towards me yelling and screaming with his fists balled up. I just shook my head 'no' and put my hand back on my gun. I told him that if he was looking for some kind of trouble, he'd be better off not looking here.

And that's when security showed up.

Buddy, as his name tag read, got out of his mini-SUV and started yelling 'what's going on here in my parking?'. I calmly told him that this kid’s dog apparently got away from him and that they both almost got killed in 'his parking lot'. He started ranting and raving about "taking us in" and other such nonsense (my handgun being proudly displayed on my side had apparently escaped his keen powers of observation up to this point, despite the young kid yammering incessantly about how I was going to shoot his dog). When I told him everything that happened, I gave him my phone number in case someone had any questions, he said that we were on video tape so there probably wouldn't be any. Then he noticed the gun.

'What in the hell do you have that for?' he said as he stepped back from me, putting his hand on his hip as if grasping for an imaginary gun, one I'm sure not unlike what he’d fantasized a real cop gets to carry. He started waving his left hand in front of my face with his notepad and pen clenched within his fist saying, 'you can't have a gun here, you need to leave right now'. That was the first thing anyone had said all day that I wholeheartedly agreed with. So I said, 'have a nice day' and turned to leave. Just then, and I shit you not, this bloated rent-a-cop puts his hand on my left shoulder and pulls me back towards him. I know he's not a threat, he's just an idiot that is probably scared of the gun, of course, I returned my hand to firmly grasping the gun and by the time he spun me around, it was about 3/4's out of the holster. I pushed myself off of him with my left hand and yelled "don't you ever put your hands on me", with a few choice non-pg13 words in between. He told me he was calling the cops and that he was detaining me for arrest. I said, "look fats, you have a notepad, I have gun, fuck off, I'm leaving."

I walked back to my car, got in and left. The only thing I ever heard about it was that some girl I knew, whom I ended up dating briefly a few years later relayed a story her mom told her about some big bald guy with tattoos almost shooting a kid and his dog and some lardass security guard in that very parking lot. The cops never called and to my knowledge, no report was ever filed.

It's a little fantastic, I agree, but it was within the first few months that I carried and the heat makes me angry. I’ve never been in a situation like that since, and I pay a lot more attention to stupid things like punk kids and sleeping dogs.

The PAFOA forum is not an incorporate organization or non-profit. It is a collection of knowledgeable and experienced self-defense proponents. If you live in Pennsylvania, I strongly recommend you join. However, I am not an owner, moderator, or even a paying member -- so don't tell 'em I sent ya. Wink
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