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Hank Ellis
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« on: January 21, 2010, 09:21:53 AM »

Nobody has brought it up so I'll throw the first pitch.

Who reloads shotshells? I do. MEC 9000G. Load for the clay target sports and 3-gun practice.

Using Win AA hulls exclusively as I can get them by the bucketfulls for the price of picking them up. Noblesport and Cheddite primers depending on what I'm loading. Claybuster wads. Hodgdon Clays and International Clays. Lawrence shot.

For those who haven't tried it loading shotshells is easy. No worrying about OAL. No working up loads. Pick your recipe and put it together. Hardest part is setting up the press for the particular hull you're using. Last I checked I'm loading for $4.60 a box. For that $4.60 I'm getting the equivalent of premium target loads at over $7 a box.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »

Hank, I'm NOT a shotshell guy by any stretch of the imagination... I don't even own a shot gun...

But I most certainly don't mind discussing reloading shotshells. In fact, for 'contingency' reasons, I've been seriously considering buying a small shotshell reloader setup...

I've loaded metallic only, but I'm willing to learn and discuss... Please, sir, treat me like a newbie, and take me thru everything, and please don't leave a single detail out...!
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 12:09:58 PM »

One of the benefits of shotshell reloading is that there isn't any "working up" of loads. Pick the data, follow it exactly, and load it up. The downside is that each load is specific in its components. No switching out primers or hulls. A simple primer switch can raise or lower pressures dramatically.

The steps are similar to metallic reloading. Inspect the hulls for defects. In 12ga I typically see splits at the crimp. Deprime and reprime. My press resizes the base but I've never seen the need for it in target loads. Powder drop. Insert the wad. Insert the payload. Crimp.

In picking the data to follow I start with the hull. I stick with one as the press must be adjusted to that hull. A press setup for Win AA probably won't work on Rem STS hulls. For this conversation lets use Win AA. Next pick the payload and speed you're targeting. Let's say we want a heavy target load. 1.125oz at 1200fps.

Now go to www.hodgdon.com and go to the reloading data page. Then enter the data in the dropdown boxes. 12ga, 1.125oz, Win AA. Click "Get Data" and a huge list will populate. Hmmm, where to go from here? Couple things I look at. I try to keep pressures between 9,000 and 10,000 psi. Easier on the gun and easier on me. Another is powder. I try to keep with the mainstream powders that can be found anywhere. Clays, Titegroup, WST and the like. So scroll down and let's see what WST has to offer.

There's a couple that look interesting:
20.0gr of WST, Win 209 primer, Win WAA12 wad, 9,800 psi.
20.5gr of WST, Win 209 primer, Rem Fig-8 wad, 10,000 psi.

Good as place as any to start. Load a few. Shoot some patterns to see how THAT load work in YOUR gun. Like metallic reloading every gun is different and nothing but putting lead to paper will tell you how it works. Not all wads work the same. Some open quickly, others slowly. In this case a wad switch would not be a big deal at all.

I said earlier that substitutions are not allowed. There are exceptions. {Isn't there always.} Noblesport primers are a direct 1-to-1 interchange with Win 209. This is published in the loading manuals. Clones of the wads are interchangeable. For example a Claybuster CB1118-12 is a direct replacement for the Win WAA12. FWIW: I use Claybuster wads and Noblesport primers. Much cheaper than Winchester.

Last item is the payload. The shot. That's somewhat up to you and what you're doing. For Trap and Sporting Clays it's either size 7.5 or 8. Skeet it's 9. The larger pellets will fly farther but you will have fewer of them to send downrange. Next is the decision whether to use magnum or chilled shot. I use magnum as a touch of antimony is mixed in to make the lead harder. Harder pellets are less likely to deform and will fly more true. Brand really doesn't matter.

If you want to load buckshot or slugs then that's a whole different animal. A bit more specialized.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »

One BIG advantage to shotshell reloading is that you can tailor a load to the task. When I was heavily involved in Sporting Clays, shooting a O/U, I loaded one-ounce payloads to reduce recoil. Soft, chilled, cheap #9s were used on targets inside 15 yards because they opened fast from a IC choke... just as effective as "spreader" load. For mid range targets (15 to 30 yards) I had magnum grade hard lead 8 1/2s. Tighter patterning due to the harder shot, with a bit more shot in the pattern than with 8s, and enough power to get the "visible piece" of the target. These were normally shot from a Skeet or IC choke, and by just changing the shot shell, I didn't have to spend a lot of time changing choke tubes. On long (35 yard +) targets I had one ounce loads of nickel plated 7 1/2s... very hard and tigt patterning shot..., and shifted to Mod/Imp Mod tubes. I ran the #9s at about 1300 fps (increased velocity + soft shot opened patterns faster) with the 8 1/2s & 7 1/2s running around 1200 fps. The nickel shot isn't cheap, but given the small number of long targets normally encountered, a jug lasted a long time. The nickel shot was also great for those times I shot Bunker Trap (the Oylimpic version... hard angles & fast & distant targets).
Trying to buy these three loads over the counter can get tough... but you can make them easily.... and a lot cheaper.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 09:18:17 PM »

lol! Gents, I did for a fact ask to be treated as a newbie, and it still stands!

Good Grief, I almost don't have a clue as to what Chris is talking about, (please Chris, don't restate I do clearly understand) except that when using hardened shot patterns can be adjusted to print tighter, and soft shot prints a larger pattern...

This sounds interesting as all get out, but I'm scared you rascals are going to give me another daggoned addiction!  Huh

Just what I need...  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 10:02:42 AM »

This sounds interesting as all get out, but I'm scared you rascals are going to give me another daggoned addiction!
It's OK. The first box is free.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 10:45:46 AM »

I'm all over what Chris stated. My clays game is Trap with just a sprinkling of Skeet.

For Trap Singles I load up 1oz at 1200fps of #8 magnum using a Light Mod choke. For Trap Handicap at short to medium yardage I load up 1.125oz at 1145fps of #7.5 magnum using a Mod choke. For long yardage it's stepped up a bit faster and choked a bit tighter. For Skeet I load up 1oz of #9 whatever at 1200fps using a skeet choke. For 3-gun it's either 1.125oz of #9 at 1145fps for the clay targets or 1.125oz of #7.5 at 1145fps for the steel. 3-gun isn't picky at all about as the targets are relatively close, big, and don't move. Yeah, we do slugs on paper to 50yd or so but I use factory loads for that.

The Sporting Clays crowd sees everything from rabbits rolling toward your feet to birds that go into another zip code. Hence you will see a wide variety of loads depending on what the target is. I get what Chris said about using chilled shot to open the pattern a bit. Depending on the target simply changing from magnum to chilled could get you another bird. Not something I've had a need for in my games and hadn't thought of.

Somebody is going to ask just how much you save reloading shotshells. My last calculation is that I reload for $4.60 a box, about the price of the bulk el-cheapo at Wally World. But my reloads are way better than the bulk packs. Closer to the premium target loads of Win and Rem at over $7 a box. The advantage of tailoring the load to the target is worth a lot in itself.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 01:35:29 PM »

I used to reload shot shells on my friends MEC 9000 Grabber. We used Remington-Peters blue 2 3/4" hulls, WAA12F114 wads, Win 209 primers, and 33 grains of Hodgdon HS-6 (bushing #28). However we used to load only 1 1/8 oz of #9 shot but it worked so well that with a modified choke on a 28" Mossberg 500 it would cleanly break trap clays at 100 yards. I managed to use this load in my Mossberg to shoot a few 25's and several 24's even though I wasn't really serious about it and was just shooting trap for fun with my friends church group. Recoil with this load was very heavy though.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 10:06:22 AM »

Hank and Chris you guys are great.

Jim, I shoot a lot of sporting clays so even though the course changes, I carry several different shells, loaded to different weights of shot and velocities. We have stations where a spreader wad is used for maximum effect, other loads for other stations, etc.

Think of it as golf. I think what Hank and Chris are saying they reach for a particular club for a particular fairway.

I do not know what my loads cost compared to factory fodder but my needs are different. My scores in the sporting clays arena are in the late 20s and early 30s. Last year I hit a 34 out of 50 and was elated to say the least.

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