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« on: December 24, 2008, 11:59:47 AM » |
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Hi all, First let me say I really enjoy the podcast, I've downloaded and listened to them all.
My question is the legality of concealed carry of firearm simulators? The reason for carry of this sort is for two reasons: 1. I am active in shooting and have a desire for concealed carry. However I live in Maryland and it is very difficult to acquire a permit. So this would be a form of protest. 2. It would let me know if concealed carry were really right for me (can I commit to everyday everywhere carry). Also it would tell me if my rig was the proper setup for me (belt, holster, clothing).
In addition what is the opinion on carry of airsoft for the same reasons above.
I appreciate your knowledge and opinion. Thank you. Rob
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 12:12:01 PM » |
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I don't know Maryland law and cannot comment upon it. But, I think you're setting yourself up for a lot of grief. You will be having more than a few conversations with the local LEO community, and depending upon how they go (and the political bent of the local State's Attorney/DA) you may find yourself charged with a number of things other than carrying a concealed weapon... which a "simulator" likely would not be viewed as.
I think it's just asking for trouble.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2008, 11:34:10 AM » |
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Thanks Chris,
This was some of my thoughts, too. I don't suspect it would be much of a problem if the simulator were properly concealed. But that was the reason for my question to get thoughts about it. Some others suggestions, maybe just wear a conceal holster?
Early next year I'm going to apply for the CCW, being optimistic. Thanks again for the reply and if anyone else would add their 2 cents that would be great. Thanks. Rob.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2008, 12:03:57 PM » |
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Just a thought: if the purpose of carrying a handgun "simulator" is to get used to the carry feel and figure out "wardrobe malfunctions" (what makes the clothing imprint or not properly cover the gun) before getting your CCW, I would suggest carrying around the house - if it is legal in Maryland. If you do so, I would suggest carrying the real deal - if you needed something to protect yourself, you would feel awfully silly with an airsoft on your hip and a gun in the safe. I am not sure the protest value of wearing concealed. If no one knows you are protesting what is the protest? And like Chris said, it could get you into a lot of trouble with LEOs.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2008, 03:33:57 PM » |
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L.E.O.s are on edge enough. If they catch a glimpse of a simulator and think it's the real deal, you could end up shot.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2008, 10:35:58 PM » |
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If you are unable to get the permit (I live in a conservate part of California, but believe me I know in some places it is just a no go) and are seriously concerned about self defense you should look in to non lethal options. Of course make sure you can legally carry whatever you choose (tasers for example). I know as a shooter that kind of sucks; but sometimes that is the best you can do.
As far as protesting your states laws, again being in CA I understand how frustrating it is. Write letters, give to the NRA. You mentioned shooting competatively. I think being part of a community that does responsible shooting sports is one to the best ways to shine a positive light on shooters.
Air soft?
I one time responded to a shots fired call where a group of gang bangers had flashed an air soft rifle at an opposing faction and ended up with a car full of holes, one dead and two wounded when the opposing faction pulled out an AK.
In the recent shotgun podcast the proarms crew talked about the myth that just the sound of racking a pump shotgun is deterrant enough. I think you would be better off with some non lethal force option rather than nothing or a toy that shoots colored bb's.
Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 06:47:46 PM » |
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Thanks all,
Five heads are better than one, especially when mine was up my ___. I didn't look at it that way. Great points(protest, airsoft). Airsoft is cheaper than a simulator, so it was the same purpose as the simulator. I'm going to take your advise. Thanks. Rob
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