I can't stand Gun Rights Radio Network anymore

[Mark Vanderberg]

Just happened to come across this this morning. Apparently not everyone's happy with the network or me. Guess that's an indication we have grown into a level that we now have haters out there.

Would encourage you to read the posts and come back here and let me know what you think and if any of it has any merit. Always looking for constructive criticism.

"I can't stand Gun Rights Radio Network anymore"

[Jim Fleming]

Can't please everyone, I'd say more and be vulgar about the judicious application of using a screw on certain tender areas, of themselves but I wouldn't want us to get the explicit rating! 

[Blackwing Shooter]

Mark, seeing that I sat behind you and plugged into the outlet also to charge my cell phone, I guess I am a thief too. As I remember it was the fact that the Hyatt wanted money for wifi access. I guess that you should be hated for telling the truth about 2A issues and the Occupy dirt bags should be loved for stealing for months on end to  broadcast their agenda. I just wonder if this gentleman ever donated a dime to the network to offset your costs. Hang in there Mark, you do a great job.

[Mark Vanderberg]

The issue was that I was told I had permission by the Second Amendment Foundation but when I arrived at the Hyatt. SAF found out that they would have to pay $1000 for me to have one receptacle to put my stuff in. Then it would cost $25 for each additional receptacle. Could not use my own extension cord or power strip it had to be provided by the union crew.

GRRN did not have that kind of money and because we had already spent a considerable amount just going to the conference (some of my personal money and some donated by generous listeners) I decided to use the outlet that was under my chair. Technically wasn't stealing, YES it was I guess.

But I did not use the hotel's Wi-Fi. I streamed the entire thing using the 4G on my cell phone. The only thing I used was enough power to keep video camera, laptop, and cell phone charged during the long days of the conference. Also there was the hotel's liaison who was walking around the conference from time to time and never said a word. If I had never asked permission it probably would've never been an issue.

Important thing for me was getting the coverage for you of the conference.

Some were told to unplug. Outside the conference area there were some tables set up by other groups. One was the Appleseed Project, they had a laptop on their table running a slideshow about their project. Behind the table there was a receptacle that they plugged in so there battery would not die. They were told they could not use it. I was not.

Mark, seeing that I sat behind you and plugged into the outlet also to charge my cell phone, I guess I am a thief too. As I remember it was the fact that the Hyatt wanted money for wifi access. I guess that you should be hated for telling the truth about 2A issues and the Occupy dirt bags should be loved for stealing for months on end to  broadcast their agenda. I just wonder if this gentleman ever donated a dime to the network to offset your costs. Hang in there Mark, you do a great job.

[Panhead Bill]

The most telling thing is that the guy went somewhere else to post his criticisms. He didn't want to post here where his objections could be addressed or countered by people from the network who had the knowledge to respond or defend the network. IMO, he's a coward.

As far as the network goes, there are a ton of shows on the network - yeah, we lost one of my favorites with Eric's "hiatus," but there are still a varied amount of shows on the network. I don't have time to listen to all of them, and some of them I'm not into, but the ones I'm not into, I don't listen to. There is a hole in the network, with a lack of shows about hunting, but I'm sure that if the poster or someone else approached Mark about them doing a quality show about hunting, they would be more than welcome.

Shelton is more than capable of defending himself (assuming he reads the forums anymore), but a quick note about the whole "fud" statement. I can recall him saying fud during one episode, but if I remember correctly it was not a broad generalization, and he was very cautious to try to avoid marking all hunters or people not interested in EBR's as fuds.

The guy's gripes are overall very petty, and if this is as bad as your haters out there get, Mark, you're in good shape. You're doing a great job Mark - you'll always have some detractors.

Bill

[Teamklr2bar]

Mark, I honestly feel for people such as Mr. Jones.   I can't imagine what kind of miserable existence he must live.   What scares me is that it is people like him that are like a donkey on edge of a cliff.  He could fall off at any time.  (aka. SNAP) so i say it his type that gives sane gun owners like us a bad name.

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[Jim Fleming]

Bill's right, Mark, Joe Jones is a pusillanimous four letter words go here! And some three letter ones too.

I'm boiling angry over this coward's tripe, so I'm going to go back to work, after laying my phone down, very carefully.

Bugger him!

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[Doc Wesson]

I am a Fud....

[Teamklr2bar]

hahaha, as if that was a bad thing!

[MasAyoob]

Agreed, "Joe Jones" should have come here and expressed his concerns to Mark directly.

I was there. Lots of folks had laptops, microphones, etc. hooked up, if only for taking notes.  Convention hotels know or should know that this is a common custom and practice among seminar-takers and convention-goers.  As has been noted here by others, the cost of the power consumed was miniscule. It doubtless cost far more for the hotel to give away, as it willingly did in volume, its souvenir advertising pens.

The thousand dollar fee to hook up and publicize the conference and its host hotel was ludicrous, and an example of why so many organizations are abandoning Chicago as a convention site.

The fee charged for WiFi access at the hotel was likewise ludicrous, so many of us simply used our air cards to bypass it.  Does that make us all a giant nest of thieves?

Sincerely,
Mas

[Chemsoldier]

Last I check this was the gun rights radio network, not the hunting rights radio network.  More power to the hunters, but I am a shooter that occasionally hunts, not the other way around.  I am sure there are many podcasts that cater to hunters.

sponsorship is sponsorship...they are people that are paying the broadcaster to pump their product or they are people the broadcaster feels is worth pumping.  So what if GOA isnt eh greatest thing since sliced bread?  Who cares if USCCA isnt your favorite group?  I dont give a crap about television commercials but I still watch 3-Gun Nation.

Mark has done a tremendous thing.  He has brought together a lot of good material in a way that allows me to find more that I like.  Practical Defense Podcast would normally be filed under martial arts in web searches, but I found it here due to the network.  The Gun Dudes are like Car Talk for guns, hilarious.  ProArms Podcast, need I say more.  If the network has a problem it is that they have put out so much stuff that I dont get to listen to a fraction of what they put out.

The dude is a turd...if he wants to go through life associating only with people where he agrees with 100% of the time he is going to have a sad lonely life.  He probably only stays with his wife to avoid alimony...

[Charlie Foxtrot]

I am a Fud....

Yaah, and a lousy speller, too. True Looney Tunes aficionados know it's Fudd, from Elmer J. Fudd, wascawwy wabbit hunter extraordinary.  Doc, you obviously made good, productive use of your childhood.  

As for JJ's post: in any human movement, some of the most vicious fighting is between those you can hardly tell apart.  We should all keep our eyes on the real threats and the real goals.  Something I think Mark, this site, and the forumites do commendably.  

As for theft: No. The cost of the electricity was never an issue: therefore, it cannot be theft.  It was the hotel's usurious hook-up charges that Mark circumvented, to the harm of no one. The hotel probably instituted the charge so they wouldn't have to be bothered; fully expecting everyone to handle it themselves. When I worked with the tools, I had a similar issue in a convention hall. We "freelanced" the temp power for the booth(s) one night, and everyone was happy.  

The other charges are similarly baseless.  

[Devereaux]

Mark,

You asked for constructive comments. Here's mine.

You can safely stop worrying about the comment you noted. It is frivolous.

Dev.

[Teamklr2bar]

Mark and Mas, do you think that the unions had anything to so with the cost to use these normally free things?   if so this opens up a whole other argument.  haha

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[Mudcat]

Who cares, he comes across as a troll with a grudge. I would send him a free t-shirt  for the publicity his post creates.
Haters are just gonna hate.


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[Not2late]

Don't take the petty whiner seriously, Mark. It sounds like living in his mom's basement is getting to him.

[Doc Wesson]

We really have good supporters and listeners....  THANK YOU GUYS!  This kind of spirit is what keeps us going on ......

[Dave.45]

Mark,
You and the other Podcasters are doing a great job! (Even the Fudds). Whenever I see a negative comment on a forum by someone who only has one or two posts, I simply ignore them. Once they have put their time in adding to the discussion they earn a right to be heard.

[hougie99]

i agree with everyone here disregard what this fool has to say.  the shows that grrn help get me through my workday every day

thank you to all of you

[walkingbush]

Mark,

First off, I greatly appreciate GRRN and all the wonderful content. I believe this gentleman overreacted to the situations he presented. That being said, I would have to agree with SOME of his complaints, if not the spirit in which they were presented.

I agree with the poster about GOA. I have yet to see them do anything productive, but have seen them try to destroy HR822 (National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act) as well as try to destroy the NRA. It is disappointing that GRRN is associated with them. However, I view that as a minor issue and not one to make a big deal over.

I also can't stand USCCA's spamming techniques. That being said, Eric Shelton has given them a conditional approval on the content. As I haven't signed up I won't bash them for something I don't know anything about. I do know I don't like their advertising and their association with FrontSight Academy.

As someone previously said, we don't have to enjoy the commercials to enjoy the shows. While I don't care for a couple of the sponsors, I really enjoy the shows and I say keep up the good work!

Regarding the electricity, I don't see it as being a big deal. However, I probably wouldn't have advertised doing it either. I haven't listened to that episode so I can't comment on what was said but it would have been a moot point if it hadn't been mentioned at all.

Just food for thought.

Again, keep up the good work!

Michael Coffman