Episode 45 - Fast and Furious is starting to move

[PoliticsAndGuns]

Fast and furious news plus news from Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida.

If more Fast and Furious breaks I may do a mid week half show!

[Devereaux]

Guess tomorrow is the day. Issa is saying tonight that he is keeping his office open all night, just in case Holder decides in the last minute, but he isn't sanguine about the outcome. Looks like he is sticking to his guns.

?So what does contempt of congress hold. ?Is he arrested, or taken to trial.

BTW, anyone notice that the case of Montana SC holding that corporations don't have free speech is coming to the SCOTUS. AND that the RINO McCain put in an amicus brief holding that corporate money holds the "potential for corruption". As if what we have for politicians now doesn't.

"Oh, don't throw me in dat dere briar patch yonder!"

[Charlie Foxtrot]

   
BHO has invoked Executive Privilege over all the documents.   

Interesting, Fast and Furious was a completely Justice issue.  Never went into the White House -- supposedly. So this is either an unprecedented expansion of Executive Privilege, or the slime trails do extend into the Oval Office. 

Holder contempt vote likely to still take place.   

The Legacy Media (Ministry of Truth) are already spinning this hard.

[PoliticsAndGuns]

I am in the middle of Wyoming where people are scarce and bandwidth is more scarce. I am going to have to see if I can fire up the ols sattelite radio and see if I can get some news reports on this.

At first blush I cannot see where executive EP applies as there are no national security secrets or diplomatic secrets at risk.

Looking more and more ugly. Possibly worse than Watergate.

[Charlie Foxtrot]

   
Looking forward to it Paul.

Fast and Furious is almost certainly worse than that 'Third Rate Burglary'. After all, no one died in that sad misadventure.   

However bad, Fast and Furious certainly is not as bad as 'LeakGate', which compromised and killed agents, blew our allies' intelligence efforts, aided our enemies, destroyed American projects, hurt the Country's near term strategic position, and made it unlikely that any foreign government will dare work with American Intelligence Services in the near term - or perhaps ever again. Done by the Obama administration for nothing more than political boasting.

Anyone who thinks we don't have to go all out to rid the country of this administration this November is absolutely insane. Swallow your stiff-necked petulance and VOTE AGAINST OBAMA! 

Hey -- Where'd that Soap Box come from? Sorry. 

Dr. Victor David Hanson on LeakGate: The Scandal of Our Age

[PoliticsAndGuns]

Hey -- Where'd that Soap Box come from? Sorry. 

Dr. Victor David Hanson on LeakGate: The Scandal of Our Age

CF feel free to drag your soapbox out any time!

BTW reading Napolitano today and he brought up a point I had not thought of. By applying EP the inference is that BHO knew what was going on.

I am definitely going to have to put a short episode out late, late tonight, look for it tomorrow AM. I will be stopped from about 1 am to about 6am and should be able to gather info and fire one out.

I just wish I had the ability to get guests interviewed tonight. It must be nice to have the resourses of a Cam Edwards or Tom Gresham (not to mention their listener base) and be able to get guests on short notice with a phone call.... Maybe someday....

Paul

[Uninformed Opinion]

I will play devils advocate here. While the exercise of EP does give me pause, it does not mean per say that BHO knew what was going on. There could be information that would compromise a still undergoing operation, or divulge intel that would weaken or destroy some of our ability to spy on the cartels. Classified documents, especially after action and summery reports, tend to have a lot more cross pollination of sources and capabilities than most people in intel are comfortable with.

[PoliticsAndGuns]

While this is true, Rep Issa sbould have a high enough security clearance that they could provide him with the documents and retain the security of secrets that is required. Congressional comitties such as foriegn relations and intelligence have closed door meetings and briefings all the time. To totally shut everything down through EP smells like conspiracy to me

I am still having bandwidth issues in Western Nebraska, but I was able to see a headline a few minutes ago that stated House Oversight voted to hold Holder in contempt. Full house vote next week. I will have very good internet in about an hour and a half and will start research for Ep 45a and possibly have it out early this evening.

Things really are moving fast now and we could be looking at a 45b and c later in the week if the news and my bandwidth availability allow it.

Paul

[Devereaux]

UO - while you are right about possible leaking of security sources, the invoking of EP requires not only that there be national security issues, but active presidential involvement. Any security issues NOT involving the active participation of the president would NOT fall under EP, and would need to be handled simply as security issues, something the Congress is quite capable of doing.

[PoliticsAndGuns]

Breitbart.com has an interesting take on this

[Devereaux]

Hmmm! This may just be turning into the Democrat Watergate.

Seems LOTS of people are jumping up and down with the BO claim of EP. Several interesting points are being made.

First, most are noting that you can't suddenly claim EP at the end of an investigation. For there to be proper consideration for such a claim, it needs to be early in the process.

Second, there are now tons of people asking whether BO was, therefore, involved, in which case Holder lied to the House Committee. And if he WAS, ?just how.

Third, many are pointing out that the court ruling on EP was that it cannot be used to cover up a crime, as was attempted in Watergate. So if Holder committed a crime in the process of EITHER setting up F&F OR in his testimony to Issa, BO cannot shield him with EP.

Fourth, Brian Terry's family has denounced BO's invocation of EP.

There appears to be a furious effort to obfuscate the whole issue. One of the steady lies that the left is pushing is that somehow this was all Bush's fault as they started this program. But it doesn't seem to be getting much traction, as the arguments sound hollow. Even the politicians, who are usually careful not to indict the opposition, are screaming bloody murder.

This looks like it's turning into a class A sh*t fight! Bring on the popcorn and take a good seat! Better than any WWF event!

[PoliticsAndGuns]

I was going to record Episode 45a tonight, but I am just too tired, here are the links that I was going to quote and look for it tomorrow (I hope)

User's Manual to Contempt of Congress

Judge Napolitano on ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents: Executive Privilege Only Applies If the President Was Personally Involved

Another retraction: Holder withdraws claim that Bush’s attorney general knew about gunwalking

NRA Applauds Passage of U.S. House Committee Resolution Recommending that the House Find Attorney General Holder in Contempt of Congress

Boehner, Cantor Announce House Fast & Furious Contempt Vote Next Week

I have some great audio to go with this as well. I hope to get it recorded later, but right now the bunk is calling my name.

ZZzzzz

Paul

[Devereaux]

Recent post on Ricochet.com by John Yoo, lawyer in the Bush Administration who went through the logic of enhanced interrogation and a REAL constitutional professor of law:

Eric Holder is a gift that keeps on giving -- for congressional Republicans.  He is bringing a unique combination of political ineptness and constitutional myopia.  Politically, he is sustaining a story of law enforcement incompetence that he could bring to a quick end by providing the Hill with documents that bear no national security implications (unlike the Obama administration leaks about our counter-terrorism programs).  Legally, he has given the Obama White House bad advice on the scope of executive privilege, which the Supreme Court in Nixon made clear is centered on the President's right to discuss the most sensitive national security, military, and diplomatic matters with his aides.  Either the White House is admitting that President Obama was involved in the Fast and Furious controversy (which seems hard to believe), or they are seeking to claim executive privilege to mere discussion of low-level staff with the Attorney General, which the Constitution does not recognize.

[Charlie Foxtrot]

I know I could use a laugh to get the BP down.  From Craigslist: 

Fifty Year Old Manure Spreader = $1 (Washington, D. C.)

Fifty-year old manure spreader. Not sure of brand. Said to have been
produced in Kenya. Used for a few years in Indonesia before being
smuggled into the U.S. via Hawaii. Does not appear to have ever been
worked hard. Apparently it was pampered by various owners over the
years. It doesn't work very often, but when it does it can really sling
the manure for amazing distances. I am hoping to retire the manure
spreader next November.

I really don't want it hanging around getting in the way. I would prefer
a foreign buyer to relocate the manure spreader out of the country. I
would be willing to trade it for a nicely framed copy of the United
States Constitution.

Location: Currently being stored in a big, white house in Washington,
D.C



Oh Lord, I apologize to the starving Pygmies down there in New Guinea...

[PoliticsAndGuns]

I know I could use a laugh to get the BP down.  From Craigslist: 

Fifty Year Old Manure Spreader = $1 (Washington, D. C.)

Fifty-year old manure spreader. Not sure of brand. Said to have been
produced in Kenya. Used for a few years in Indonesia before being
smuggled into the U.S. via Hawaii. Does not appear to have ever been
worked hard. Apparently it was pampered by various owners over the
years. It doesn't work very often, but when it does it can really sling
the manure for amazing distances. I am hoping to retire the manure
spreader next November.

I really don't want it hanging around getting in the way. I would prefer
a foreign buyer to relocate the manure spreader out of the country. I
would be willing to trade it for a nicely framed copy of the United
States Constitution.

Location: Currently being stored in a big, white house in Washington,
D.C



Oh Lord, I apologize to the starving Pygmies down there in New Guinea...

I don't care who you are that's funny right there!

Paul

[Charlie Foxtrot]

   
I had just gotten my BP back down when I read this blog post:
   
Larry Correia, the writer of the Monster Hunter International books, has a pretty damn good synopsis of the F&F/ EP crisis.  Why Eric Holder should be in jail and the WaPo sucks balls

BTW: He leaves no doubt as to whose balls the WaPo is sucking. 

I haven't read any MHI books - might just have to correct that. 

Caution: Adult type language.   

[Devereaux]

Well written article, CF. I liked that. Thanks for the link.

[Charlie Foxtrot]

Bill Whittle examines F&F with his laser like focus and clarity.  He's right, we should be absolutely furious about this evil.
 
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